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Press, I think that the authors are a little harsh on Fricka. Kitcher and Schacht, however, call her intervention "myopic"; she does not care about the big picture, which is, for the authors, all about "das Ende". Post by Derrick Everett Loge is a much-debated character in the 'Ring'.

He tells us that Wotan had once tamed him; and he seems to delight in doing Wotan's bidding in ways that Wotan will come to regret. The authors do not see him, as did Wieland Wagner, as "the intellectual" of the drama; rather, they suggest that, once in Wotan's power, Loge chose the survival tactic of being clever.

They also suggest that it is wrong to think of Loge as a trickster. Rather, he is a character who is concerned only with means and not with ends.

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While he is not really a moral being, he delights in taking the moral high ground; and suggests to Wotan, no less than four times, the possibility of returning the ring to the Rhinedaughters. Of course, that is what Wotan should have done, once he had the ring; Loge is clever enough to see it. Wotan is not concerned with doing the right thing, however; his order is not a moral order, and he dismisses Loge's suggestions in favour of expediency that he believes will achieve his ends.

Kitcher and Schacht suggest that Loge understands that those ends are unattainable. Post by Derrick Everett Yet his hope turns out to be misplaced, since the hero does not achieve anything.

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Like his father before him, Siegfried is not The Answer; far from being a free agent, he is easily manipulated, not by Wotan but by Hagen. The problem with Siegfried is not that he is Wotan's puppet, which of course he is not; the problem is that becomes the tool of Hagen. Her first step in that direction is her decision to protect Siegmund; then, her divinity kissed away, she becomes a mortal woman and is, according to the authors, torn between two loves: her love for Siegfried and perhaps also, the authors suggest, for the heroism that he represents, the Hero as a type and her love for Wotan the parallels with Cordelia and Lear, drawn in the book, are valid but not very helpful.

Post by Derrick Everett 'Finding an ending' is a book that can be read with profit by all who want to find meaning in the 'Ring', both those who know it well and those who are discovering it for the first time. In this recently published addition to the Wagner literature, two professional philosophers, who are also amateur singers, offer their views the outcome that Wotan seeks, even after he has given up all other objectives and ambitions.

As Erda tells him and us , all that is, will end: including Wotan and whatever order he is able to establish in the world. The central issue of the 'Ring' -- and Wotan's paramount concern -- is, according to the authors of this book, the quest for an ending that is meaningful for Wotan. Rather than, as other commentators have chosen to believe, making choices between love and power; because, as the author's see Wotan's problem, neither love nor power are The Answer.

Kitcher and Schacht do not presume to present a full-blown. Post by Derrick Everett interpretation of the tetralogy but rather a "philosophical. Post by Derrick Everett through it. They argue that the 'Ring' is a work of philosophical substance and depth, even though Wagner was by his own admission not a philosopher.

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Although their discussion of the work is mainly. Post by Derrick Everett with ideas and concepts, it is illustrated by references to the words and music and clearly based on a close study of Wagner's scores. Inevitably this "philosophical excursion" passes through aspects of the tetralogy that have been much debated here and elsewhere.

Post by Derrick Everett have a well-defined point of view about the 'Ring' and on that basis argue cogently for a consistent interpretation.

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Their arguments are almost entirely based on internal, rather than external, evidence; although they have taken note of Wagner's statements about the tetralogy, in. In their bibliography, the authors list the books that have been most. Post by Derrick Everett in developing their ideas about the 'Ring': they state that Tanner, in his 'Wagner', defines a position that is closest to their own, while that of G.

Shaw is "almost diametrically opposed". As philosophers,. Post by Derrick Everett enough it is the philosophical ideas expressed in the tetralogy that are of most interest to Kitcher and Schacht; and they are not so much interested in the political ideas underlying Wagner's text -- with the exception of those concerning human freedom -- as in his ideas about the possibilities of meaningful living and, in that context, in the value of love and heroism respectively.

The book is divided into 21 short chapters, each of which should provide enough material for an entire day of reflection. The first concerns Wagner's involvement with philosophy, as well as a brief history of the development of the 'Ring'. I found this better on Feuerbach than on Hegel -- the Hegelian concept of the hero and his role in history is not mentioned -- and I tend to the view that Schopenhauer had less of an influence on the 'Ring' -- except for the so-called Schopenhauer ending -- than this chapter suggests.

The 'Ring' poems were completed in and, as all readers of this newsgroup are well aware, Wagner discovered Schopenhauer's philosophy in the autumn of Admittedly, he did make changes to 'Siegfried', much later; but I do not find anything in them to suggest that Schopenhauer was responsible. In fact, that may well be its fatal flaw—I am not convinced If you are fascinated with Wagner's Ring Cycle, this is quite a wonderful book. In fact, that may well be its fatal flaw—I am not convinced that Wagner himself had such a clear idea of his intent.

He was a purposeful composer and no doubt had a thorough grasp of the symbolism he was using as he was writing, much more so than, for example, Mozart seems to have had when he wrote "The Magic Flute" a seriously weird opera. But as this was written over many years, I have my doubts that the inconsistency inherent in the cycle is the result of a thought process as purposeful as that these authors seem to be attributing to him.

Still, this is a provocative and thoughtful book that should appeal to all those who are drawn to this monumental work. It's a very interesting book to read and certainly gave me some new insights on the characters of the Ring. However, just like in the drama itself, this book likes to repeat what we've already been told.

As good as every chapter needs to remind you of Wotan's problem and what he intends to do about it. It's also a very one sided analysis, which is also a good thing as they don't just explore the issue, only to go over to another one. For non-native speakers, as myself, it can be a tough read as It's a very interesting book to read and certainly gave me some new insights on the characters of the Ring.

For non-native speakers, as myself, it can be a tough read as there are a lot of philosophical, psychological and academic terms and definitions. Overall, I'd rate it 3,5. The chapters are short and they take a lot of time to make their point. As I said, if you're looking for a good analysis of the Ring, focusing on Wotan's problem and the value of Love in the Ring, you should read this.

I wouldn't recommend it as a first read on Wagner or the Ring, though.

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Whether or not it does, I really can't say. I just know that reading it before seeing The Ring at Chicago Lyric Opera a couple years ago gave me the impression that I had some idea what was going on on stage. In my experience, that's by far the most you can If, like me, you are of that special breed of self-abuser who, wisely, avoids all Wagner operas EXCEPT, bizarrely, The Ring Cycle, then you need to read this book.

In my experience, that's by far the most you can hope for. Aug 29, Kathy Petersen rated it really liked it Shelves: x-febthru-jan , read-non-fiction , read-jalna-books. I still claim no expertise in the Ring Cycle, but all that I read, hear, and see makes me a more devoted fan. The authors of this volume include a lot of intelligent speculation on Wagner's motives in constructing the four operas and the mythology, even the philosophy that moves the story and the music along.

I found it intriguing Jul 22, bookinglibrarian rated it really liked it. An accessible and interesting view of the philosophical and psychological aspects of the characters in Wagner's Ring cycle. Kyle rated it liked it May 03, Em rated it really liked it Sep 08, Dennis Hart rated it it was amazing Apr 30, Nicholas rated it really liked it Jan 09, Wolf rated it really liked it May 30, Steve Kerby rated it really liked it Jul 28, Sanjay Prabhakar rated it it was amazing Sep 16, Julia rated it it was amazing Jul 26, Rich rated it really liked it Jun 05, Dan rated it really liked it Oct 12, Andreas Stokke rated it really liked it Jul 31, William Jamison rated it liked it Jul 18, We should enlist elders in our churches as wise ones who will help us in this task.

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